I bought a Chinese TIG/stick/plasma for $400

by Kent Hartland
(Kansas City)

I am not a certified welder but I have been MIG, stick and gas welding for thirty plus years off and on. I now make custom motorcycles and exhaust for same. I got an Accurate Tools 200A unit off ebay for $400 shipped. It looks to be a fairly quality unit although there was damn little documentation on how to set it up or use it.

I had to buy an electrical plug, a few small fittings and an air drier as well as electrodes. I also had to come here (I love this site Jody - damn fine job you're doing!) and the Miller site to get schooled up on the subject.

Now I am trying to make decent cuts and welds, my fault not the machine. So far, after several days, I am completely happy with the unit. I've had to make two phone calls to the seller with questions (yes, the argon and air really do go in the same port and the S knob is post flow) which worked out okay. Make sure your seller is stateside.

The machine has NO model number, serial number, no UL stickers, no safety warning labels, nothing. Weird.

AS far as the low price, I would ask: compared to what? The old transformer machines are heavier and larger and more expensive to make, import and ship. The new solid state designs are less expensive in every way. They use less power and take up less room in my small shop. If I fry it, I pop in a new circuit board and get going again. They are simply better technology and thus less costly.

As far as the American/Chinese debate, I suspect even the 'American' units are wholly or partly made overseas in China, Korea or Japan. Hell, even Harley-Davidson bikes use Asian parts. So what? Its a global world guys. Its time to get over it.

So, I guess, based on my limited time with the unit I would say as long as you understand that you will need to do a little extra set up and spend a few extra bucks on same, its probably a good buy.

I made a pdf doc with specifics. Email me at Kent at KentDidIt dot com and I'll send it to you.

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Oct 14, 2015
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520 NEW
by: Dennis B. From Wisconsin

We need to get a website established for these welders? Anybody have any ideas? If we could band together with our machines it would be great. I Have a spare machine now as I bought a newer 520tsc it's blue the old one was Red. Denny djbirk@gmail.com

Oct 14, 2015
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Overload or overheat lite comes on- no power NEW
by: Suomison

I also got my unit on E-bay and got it primarily for the things it has for the price. I was a little sceptical but after using the stick side on 220 I was pleasantly surprised at the power and smooth welding using 7018 and 6011 rods. I was repairing my splitter and was near completion when the overload or heat light came on after a spark but would not weld. I sure would like to get a process for restoring the welding. By the way, the plasma side does the same thing. anyone that has a solution for this please let me know. Or I could use contacts and a process for getting a replacement.

Sep 24, 2015
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I never drag the tip, i hold it off the work NEW
by: Anonymous

forgot to make that clear, i no longer drag the tip, i hold it off the metal, and the extended tips make that easy. I can see the metal/tip interface , i can see the cut, control my speed. the shade 9 auto darkening helmet lets me see the direct arc and protects my face. Melanoma is a sneaky killer so added protection with the full face helmet. steady my hand with my other hand under the back of the torch and resting on the metal. dragging the tip is silly except on sheet metal that's thin.

Sep 24, 2015
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extended tips let you see the cut, buy them NEW
by: Anonymous

Extended tips completely changed my mind about this machine and torch. The tips are long enough that i can see around the porcelan cup and that lets me move the torch at the right speed. I can't seem to ruin a tip yet after several feet of cutting 1/4" stainless and some half inch. I even did a couple of punctures in the 1/4" without ruining a tip. I hold the tip off the work, I don't drag the tip on the metal,, maybe I would drag on realy thing sheet metal, but i rarely use thin sheet metal. I'm using a harbor freight auto darkening helmet set to shade 9. My mind is completely changed now that i'm using the longer tips, i like this machine. I also bought some of the 6 hole swirl rings after reading an artist claim the extended tips and 6 hole rings made the consumables last. (Brand X was the artist"s blogging handle) The tips are long enough that you can see what the heck you are doing. Folks it made a world of difference for me, I now love this machine. Mine's an accurate tools 3 in 1,, but apparently its sold under different names? Anyway, it's cutting the heck out of 1/4" mild steel and stainless, and not using tips,, all my cuts are at 30 to 50 amps on 1/4" to 1/2" thick plate. If someone makes a cheap wire standoff for the extended tips on this p5-31 torch, i'd buy some,, not only for the ease when doing standoff cutting, but also to help follow cutting guide straight edge that I would like to use to cut. I haven't tried the guid against the tip of the torch as I'm afraid it will ark and short. someone start making holdoffs,, there are lots of pt-31 torches out there

Sep 23, 2015
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accurate tools model atpw522 NEW
by: Anonymous

does anyone have any info on this company accurate tools or know anyone who works on these machines any help will be appreciated I can be reached at 518-605-6913 the name is john or e mail at shortydragracing@msn.com thank you much.

Sep 23, 2015
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accurate tools model atpw522 NEW
by: john

I own this unit for about two years it has always worked great I used it the other day to cut some plate it was fine I needed to cut sommore plate in the afternoon hit the trigger on the torch and nothing I checked continuity all the way into the machine it is all good the switch is good as well plugged in the tig torch same thing any sugestions anyone know how to get to the company or where to send this machine for repairs open to any sugestions I can be reached at 518-605-6913-the name is john or e mail shortydragracing@msn.com thanks for any help I can get.

Sep 06, 2015
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by: Anonymous

Atpw524 50r TOTAL P.O.S.

Aug 30, 2015
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Accurate Tool 524 3 in 1 for Sheet Metal work NEW
by: wbainton@aol.com

In 220\240 Volts, even inthe lowst Tig setting (10 amps) the machine burned through the sheet metal, so I added a second extension electrical feed to feed the unit on 110\120 Volts at 20 AMPS, and TIG welding at 10 AMP Tig welding setting to weld sheet metal 24 guage, and it did not burn through.

I am only going to use this Tig welder option for small guage (24 guage upto 1/8 inch welding for autoboby or where I need a clean no splatter welging, I'll use my Flux welder for medium outdoor dirty word, my Mig welder for Harder welds, and My arc welder for heavy welding.

PS. Do not try to use the Accurate Tools welder for Arc, Thick Tig or Plasma unless you are feeding it 220 + Volts at 20+ AMPS, as 110 Voltage is only good for thin metal (Guess upto 1/8 with a 20% Duty cycle). Note this is my only 3 in 1, as I own a seperate Mig and Seperate Flux welders. Also remember Mig, Flux and Arc welders and specially Plasma Cutting can start a fire in less then 1 second, so make sure you use a welding blanket when doing DIY Home projects and are wearing ALL of the Eye, Body and foot wear that are fire resistant, as I can give witness burning you shirt, pants or foot wear does not stop there, I carry body scares because I was to stupid to change into the Fire protective clothing.
Regards!
Bill

Aug 26, 2015
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2nd. Machine NEW
by: Dennis B. From Wisconsin

Well I bit the bullet a second time hopefully I'm not a fool. I bought a new machine from Accurate tool co. It's the ungraded version of the 520TSC we'll see about that. So far so good its been working like a dream. I could not ask for a smoother machine for the money. Got a good deal on eBay I bid $350 and won and its the 200AMP machine so between the first one and this one I have $800 stuck in the setup. The guts are very similar so I have a machine for spare parts, they upgraded the cooling system and a few other things that were important so wish me luck.

Aug 25, 2015
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Accurate tools ,, drag tip? 220volt stake on connectors?? NEW
by: Anonymous

no way it will cut through 3/4" steel,, it will do 5/8 with some trouble, but not 3/4". I was shocked to see the stake on connectors for 220 Volts on the back of he power switch. These power connectors should be bolted on and made of copper, not steel slide on stake connectors. The consumables die quicly on anything over 1/4" thick.
Could be I'm doing something wrong ,, any advice appreciated. But as far as the 220 volt connectors, if they make a bad connection, the unit will pull more amps and generate more heat and thus kill itself in a ball of smoke,, and that goes for the 220 leads to the circuit board too.
So is this Accurate Tools a drag plasma tip or a hold off? Can the cup be changed to a metal cup that lasts,, are there consumables that last longer and will fit??

Jul 26, 2015
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Not working after two times use. NEW
by: Dennis B

Got my 520TSC all put together. Tried every option there was, all worked perfect. Got it setup for its first job. Perfect after running it for about 4hrs. Next job a week later, got it all setup worked flawless. Next week which was today, only fan & lights are working...if I toggle the 3-way switch up and down under a load in the stick weld position it will spark for a second or two like it want's to weld, either a contactor is bad or the 3-way rocker switch is not working. Any suggestions out there in repair land, it would be appreciate the help please?

Dennis B
Wisconsin

May 26, 2015
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Hardly Worth The Electricity NEW
by: Anonymous

The following comments are those of a PhD, not an actual practitioner of the sweet science. I have consumed over 2.5 pounds of fully brazen filler rod in the most vigorous manner available--by welding my heart out over 19 hours a day. My plasma fork is hardly made in China or even in the US. $350, no less! It harks back to the alpine meadows of Switzerland, and (believe it or not!) I used to live just off the freeway in Rancho Cucamonga, without the flawless verbiage lingering today. Reviewing warranty coverage like that, who can fail to prime the surface?

Keep burnishing that stack of dimes, fine buddies, because it is inevitable that argon will soon lack prosaic relevance over statements just like the one prior to mine. Still: do not buy this machine or you may finally notice the pre-order period has lapsed.

Dec 31, 2014
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dissapointed in NH NEW
by: Anonymous

I bought the Tosense 520tsc inverter welder/plasma machine and it doesn't work at all. Anyone with any advise please call chris 603-793-6859. Thanks. I paid $600 through eBay and despite there guarantee even they don't give a shit and wont honor there site guarantee that any new product purchased through there site is guaranteed from them as welm and they will not honor it. Bums!

Dec 14, 2014
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"Global world" my *ss NEW
by: Anonymous

You're part of the problem. That mentality is not mature yet my friend. You are of the thinking that this is a global economy. It's not. It's not even close. In order to have a global economy, you must have free trade. We've got nothing close to free trade. So do me a favor and move to China if you like the garbage they are dumping here. Because that's exactly what's happening. A dollar is a vote and every time you buy 'made in China', you are voting for their economy and not your own. That's the truth. Ever take economics? Yes...but did you pay attention?

Nov 14, 2014
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please help! NEW
by: Ken

Ok, so I just picked one of these and it needs parts. Where do I go? All I've found are dead ends. Need the torch, ground, electrode, pretty much everything except the power unit.

Oct 25, 2014
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welder NEW
by: Gilman

i have the same welder can you tell me who welder
I need a elect semantic can help me my
email savag.pelkey@gmail.com thank you






GILMAN

Oct 25, 2014
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welder NEW
by: Gilman

i have the same welder can you tell me who welder
I need a elect semantic can help me my
email savag.pelkey@gmail.com thank you






GILMAN

Oct 18, 2014
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ToSense Contact Infomation NEW
by: Ray

For those of you wishing to contact Tosense.

Bob
Sales Manager
WENZHOU TOSENSE WELDING EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURE CO.LTD
TEL:86-577-56551897
FAX:86-577-56550577
Google:bobwu1989@gmail.com
MSN:bobwlq@hotmail.com
E-MAIL:bob@tosensechina.com
SKYPE: wlqabcdef

Oct 17, 2014
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avid user from va NEW
by: Anonymous

these units are very easy to repair, BUT if you have constant overload signs and constant thermal issues they are built as a stereo channel like a car amplifier to play music but it puts different wave forms or (audio signals) thru it to make it work (way more efficient and cheaper then using transformers like any major brand that are heavy as hell) the fan circuits are faulty and when they blow its a 50-80 dollar repair with parts and labor I have rebuilt several of these. polarities are reversed for stick but from what i do tig and plasma are all good if you need help my phone is 3306075863 call and explain the deal i can be a really rude person. these things are selling on ebay for 4500 and people are actually buying them i wouldn't go over 500 unless it came with a shit ton of plasma torch parts good machine just needs the merican touch.

Oct 17, 2014
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avid user from va NEW
by: Anonymous

these units are very easy to repair, BUT if you have constant overload signs and constant thermal issues they are built as a stereo channel like a car amplifier to play music but it puts different wave forms or (audio signals) thru it to make it work (way more efficient and cheaper then using transformers like any major brand that are heavy as hell) the fan circuits are faulty and when they blow its a 50-80 dollar repair with parts and labor I have rebuilt several of these. polarities are reversed for stick but from what i do tig and plasma are all good if you need help my phone is 3306075863 call and explain the deal i can be a really rude person. these things are selling on ebay for 4500 and people are actually buying them i wouldn't go over 500 unless it came with a shit ton of plasma torch parts good machine just needs the merican touch.

Oct 17, 2014
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avid user from va NEW
by: Anonymous

these units are very easy to repair, BUT if you have constant overload signs and constant thermal issues they are built as a stereo channel like a car amplifier to play music but it puts different wave forms or (audio signals) thru it to make it work (way more efficient and cheaper then using transformers like any major brand that are heavy as hell) the fan circuits are faulty and when they blow its a 50-80 dollar repair with parts and labor I have rebuilt several of these. polarities are reversed for stick but from what i do tig and plasma are all good if you need help my phone is 3306075863 call and explain the deal i can be a really rude person. these things are selling on ebay for 4500 and people are actually buying them i wouldn't go over 500 unless it came with a shit ton of plasma torch parts good machine just needs the merican touch.

Sep 26, 2014
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accurate tools atpw 522 NEW
by: terry ivey

i purchased this cutter about a year and a half ago. used it maybe 1 hour total.worked good, then today when i tried to use the plasma cutter, the temp light comes on and the unit will not do anything.anyone know where to get this thing fixed

thanks
terry ivey
houston area
713 504 3134

Sep 26, 2014
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accurate tools atpw 522 NEW
by: terry ivey

i purchased this cutter about a year and a half ago. used it maybe 1 hour total.worked good, then today when i tried to use the plasma cutter, the temp light comes on and the unit will not do anything.anyone know where to get this thing fixed

thanks
terry ivey
houston area
713 504 3134

Sep 21, 2014
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need help plasma cutter(accurate tools) NEW
by: joe

I just bought an 3 in 1and need more info.
PlasmaTorch wan't fire up.

Thank you to help folks here...

Sep 01, 2014
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UPSET with my 520tsc NEW
by: Anonymous

I'm in the same boat as Sam. Anyone know of a repair service near Kansas City? Or have a schematic/diagram.
bj6762@rainbowtel.net

Sep 01, 2014
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UPSET with my 520tsc NEW
by: Anonymous

I'm in the same boat as Sam. Anyone know of a repair service near Kansas City? Or have a schematic/diagram.
bj6762@rainbowtel.net

Aug 22, 2014
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NOT HAPPY!!! NEW
by: Sam

Bought my Tosense/520TSC off Ebay for $429.99 it only lasted 20 min tops. The digital readout works pull the trigger it "blows" it clicks no fire it has a drag tip on it. You drag it across new metal nothing.

Jun 21, 2014
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no output NEW
by: Anonymous

mine has about 3 hours on it and nothing works except the fan, the digital readout and the plasma air switch

Jun 21, 2014
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no output NEW
by: Anonymous

mine has about 3 hours on it and nothing works except the fan, the digital readout and the plasma air switch

Jun 16, 2014
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How do yyou know "Guy in VA" NEW
by: Ray

Hi I am looking to buy one of these welders.
You Said "ground and stick port are backwards when its hooked up right like the machine states it acts like reverse polarity I switch them around", How doyou know if they are the wrong way around ??.

Ray

Jun 11, 2014
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bad as machine 3+ years running NEW
by: Anonymous

I bought mine in 2011 I use it AVIDLY. cutting works best... scratch that everything works better with 220. when I got mine the fan didn't kick on, the plug on the board was faulty and I soldered it straight to the pins, since then no issue. I have been certified in everything and tig and stick 6g pipe on mine with stick the ground and stick port are backwards when its hooked up right like the machine states it acts like reverse polarity I switch them around and it runs like my 1000$$ thermal arc welder.make new leads for ground and stick the ones with it are junk and I also cut the plastic cover off the cutting torch leads and put on a cloth cover from Radnor. I have used this welder at work for 15 hour days over three months and couldn't kill it, the thing never went into thermal or anything ran like a miller. after the last year the digital display has become useless it doesn't read anywhere close to what it should but the handy knob has a scale on it also. I would buy ten of these for the price and performance I have gotten out of mine I bought it to do a few side jobs until I could buy something decent but it works great there is virtually no duty cycle I rarely run anything bigger then 1/8 rod with stick but when I cut its always wide open I have cut 1/2 inch plate with it but it really struggles. if you buy make sure the fan comes on WITH the power switch that's the way is is supposed to be.

Jun 11, 2014
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3 years plus bad ass machine NEW
by: guy in VA

I bought mine in 2011 I use it AVIDLY. cutting works best... scratch that everything works better with 220. when I got mine the fan didn't kick on, the plug on the board was faulty and I soldered it straight to the pins, since then no issue. I have been certified in everything and tig and stick 6g pipe on mine with stick the ground and stick port are backwards when its hooked up right like the machine states it acts like reverse polarity I switch them around and it runs like my 1000$$ thermal arc welder.make new leads for ground and stick the ones with it are junk and I also cut the plastic cover off the cutting torch leads and put on a cloth cover from Radnor. I have used this welder at work for 15 hour days over three months and couldn't kill it, the thing never went into thermal or anything ran like a miller. after the last year the digital display has become useless it doesn't read anywhere close to what it should but the handy knob has a scale on it also. I would buy ten of these for the price and performance I have gotten out of mine I bought it to do a few side jobs until I could buy something decent but it works great there is virtually no duty cycle I rarely run anything bigger then 1/8 rod with stick but when I cut its always wide open I have cut 1/2 inch plate with it but it really struggles. if you buy make sure the fan comes on WITH the power switch that's the way is is supposed to be.

May 16, 2014
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Overload light NEW
by: Devrae84@aol.com

The overload light came on is their any way to reset this or bypass. Pleas help. The seller want even reply to emails of calls!

May 09, 2014
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Looking for help NEW
by: Anonymous

I didn't find this post until tonight. Has anyone had good luck with this tool? Does anyone have the instructions for it?
Mike

May 04, 2014
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Not turning on anymore NEW
by: sandy4tow

I like others bought a china made plasma cutter of E Bay and used it to cut 9 8" round 1/4" plates, when i went to turn off the unit the power switch was very hard to turn off after about 10 minutes i was ready to make more cuts and turned the switch on and to no avail no power nothing really pissed off set up a cart and everything. I notified the seller and am waiting for a response next step is notifying E Bay following their procedure for resolution. The switch looks like an ordinary switch on most units but not touching it tell seller gets back to me back to electric grinder for now

Mar 02, 2014
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520 TSC Tosense 3 n 1Multifunction machine NEW
by: Ken Wilson

Tosense Wenhouse manufacturing China are RIPOFFS, I bought the new 520 TSC multi function machine October 2013 from Commercial Bargains a U.S. company, they shipped the machine to me and I received it in about a week. I removed it from the boxes and put it together as per there included instructions and I used the machine on and off for three weeks and it quit cutting. When I bought the machine I asked about the warranty and they stated it has a two year warranty,I called the distributor back and told them the machine quit working, they told me that they only stand behind it for thirty days but the manufacturer Tosense Wenhouse warranty's the machine for two years,I emailed them and asked them about getting the machine fixed and received a response back the next day that said we will help fix the problem, after that I cant get anyone to answer me back. BEWARE OF CHINEESE RIPOFFS THEY MAKE JUNK AND WILL NOT STAND BEHIND THERE PRODUCTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mar 02, 2014
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520 TSC Tosense 3 n 1Multifunction machine NEW
by: Ken Wilson

Tosense Wenhouse manufacturing China are RIPOFFS, I bought the new 520 TSC multi function machine October 2013 from Commercial Bargains a U.S. company, they shipped the machine to me and I received it in about a week. I removed it from the boxes and put it together as per there included instructions and I used the machine on and off for three weeks and it quit cutting. When I bought the machine I asked about the warranty and they stated it has a two year warranty,I called the distributor back and told them the machine quit working, they told me that they only stand behind it for thirty days but the manufacturer Tosense Wenhouse warranty's the machine for two years,I emailed them and asked them about getting the machine fixed and received a response back the next day that said we will help fix the problem, after that I cant get anyone to answer me back. BEWARE OF CHINEESE RIPOFFS THEY MAKE JUNK AND WILL NOT STAND BEHIND THERE PRODUCTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mar 01, 2014
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worked great for 2 weeks NEW
by: Anonymous

Worked for two times then the plasma cutter quit working. I checked the tip and stick and they still work ok. I just can't use plasma cutter which was my main reason for buying it.

Jan 15, 2014
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Accurate tools welder NEW
by: Labier

I purchased the Accurate tools stick/tig/plasma
welder off of Ebay. The first unit croaked after my second use. So I painstakingly went through the process of returning it to the seller. I'm not versed on Ebay, so I had some trouble. Eventually I got the sellers number and email. After I returned it, I waited about a month to receive my repair or replaced unit. They swapped it out thankfully. So I started to plasma cut with the new unit...Another problem. Lucky for me, I have electrical and electronic experience and found it to be nothing but the contact in the very cheap thumb switch. So I got it working. 60 psi and it cut good. Now I have to get some argon to test the tig welding portion of my Chinese welder.I did some stick welding on a little table I made to tig weld on, so it works with 7018-3/32 rods so far. I am optimistic by nature and hope for good results in the future. So I will post again after a little tig welding. My advice. Do your research on welders and customer service. I found my ebay seller to be slow to respond and not very customer friendly. Good luck.

Dec 27, 2013
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cheap regulators and drier NEW
by: stevensublette@gmail.com

I bought the 524 for 375 . Seems to tig ok but the plas will barely cut 1/4 in. The regulator leaked and when I tried to adjust it exploded the plastic ball cover like a gun went off . And the drier leaks too . Hope the inside components are better qualify .

Sep 03, 2013
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no serial number NEW
by: Anonymous

i got one plasma machine but no serial number therefore i need the serial number to send it to overseas and get repsired so i can i do it

Aug 19, 2013
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0 hours of run time. Piece of shyte NEW
by: TOM

I got mine brand new the exact same one atpw522 off of flea bay from Michigan and immediately. I mean IMMEDIATELY. The temp light came on after striking my first arc and rendered my machine useless. I turned off and on and everytime the same behavior. this is some bool shyte. I thought maybe i'd have a chance of getting a good one like maybe only 10% are bad. But damn, Even knowing the risks. I got a bad one right off the bat. i'm guessing they have like a 80% defect rate straight outta the box. DONT BUY THIS MACHINE.

Jun 26, 2013
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TEMP LIGHT!!!! GERR NEW
by: Anonymous

Any temp light fixes yet? Ive checked the whole unit. cant find anything. Help PLS!!

Feb 17, 2013
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Harley 100% American still NEW
by: Rich

you really should go to a Harley dealer and speak about parts with them. I gave up on the big three because they sold out but Harley did not, you been told a liberal lie, like I hear others say from time to time, it is still 100% American motor cycles all parts are from the us and put together in the us. I read your thoughts on this Tig welder / plasma cutter because I saw a new in box for sale one for $350.00 but now I know why it is for sale, it is not made in the usa. before assuming someone is right check facts And you are not alone I was lied to about Harley Davidson motorcycles but when I went to dealer to buy one i learned the truth.

Jan 18, 2013
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Pure crap NEW
by: Anonymous


I was stupid enough to buy one to. Spent $400.00 on out fitting it with cart and argon mis stuff. I had the day off and got it up and running 4 about 10 mins looked behind me and smoke pouring of side. I took the cover off and board is toast what a colossal waste of money. Just Pure CRAP

Mar 03, 2012
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I have the temp light problem too NEW
by: Anonymous

Mine worked well for several months but then one day the temp light started coming on after striking an arc. Once the light is on the unit is rendered useless. Good thing I got mine for $200!

Dec 06, 2011
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I've had mine for a week NEW
by: Anonymous

Mine came with a broken wire at the switch in the Plasma torch that was a easy fix to solder. So far stick and plasma are working fine. I have not tried TIG because I have no argon bottle yet.

Dec 05, 2011
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Not so lucky. :( NEW
by: Anonymous

I bought a ATPW522 also. Worked well for about 2 weeks. Now when it powers on the temp light also comes on and nothing works. I know it's not overheating but I don't know how to get that darn thing to reset. Haven't found a lot of support for this thing. :)

Sep 17, 2011
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accurate tools atpw522
by: Anonymous

I bought the same one, works great ,no problems other then you need to replace the air/gas line with a better quality one.

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