Longevity 160PI

I hear what you're saying about buying American and have very strong feelings about creating strong, local economies that can produce the things they need to survive. It makes me sick to think about any money of mine making it into the hands of the PLA or something similar. I looked at welders from everyone when I was shopping. To put it very bluntly, none of the "American" manufacturers even make what I needed. Then I found out that they are just getting the machines made overseas anyway and are about as American as Toyota. Anyway, I found a company called Longevity. The people that are importing these machines care and stand behind their products. Sure, I'm shipping some of my hard earned dollars off to China but at least a company that's hired some good Americans who are knowledgeable and care about their jobs is getting a profit first....not to mention I spent 1/4 of what comparable equipment would have ran from one of the big names.

I had to fine tune my machine when it arrived but I think this was because the UPS guys around here really don't treat things well. The gas valve was plugged up with cardboard and had a leaky connection. Once I tuned it up a little, I TIG welded aluminum for the first time. I immediately built a welding table out of 1/4" aluminum plate and 1/4" wall tubing. I can't say the welds are pretty but the penetration is fine and they came out uncontaminated. I have since built a steel mounting bracket to mount a 10kw generator on the engine of my shop truck, using the plasma cutter, dcep stick, and dc tig operations. Today I finished the last aluminum rack for the solar panels that will provide main power for the shop truck. I just tried messing with the pulse settings today for the first time and it's pretty neat.

I can't say enough about the Longevity WeldAll 160PI. It's handled everything I've thrown at it. Now it's running off the 10kw generator and operates perfectly. I'd pay 4 times what I paid for it if I knew it was produced in a factory that was environmentally responsible and operated sustainably, with happy, well paid employees, located in a free country..........but for now, the way things are in this world, that's not possible. The only we'll make it possible is rebuilding from the ground up. We're going to need tools. At this point, does it really matter where they come from?

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Feb 02, 2014
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Any Longevity Products. NEW
by: Mark Thomas-Longevity Dealer

I bought 5 units when I first found out about Longevity-inc.com.. None of them worked.

I went through 2 Generators, and gave up, because I also went through 2 plasma cutters, a Mig, and several multi units, trying to get just one to work.. Of course,, from Simon,, well,,, you need to upgrade to the next model, it is better.. Just pay the difference and the shipping and I'll send you one, and send the other back..
That is how I got this unit.. And,, it has never worked either..
I went through about 10 units, and not one worked, or has worked.. The generators,, I got tired of swapping parts to see if this would work, and junked the last one..
I sent back all of the other units, paid, upgraded and ended up with this last piece of junk. The Weldall 160PI.. The Arc Welder is weak, has low voltage when starting an arc, and then runs the voltage way up after.. You have to up the voltage to get an arc started, and then, jig weld to keep from blowing holes in what you work on.. The plasma cutter never worked right..
I went without a plasma cutter for 2 years, then met someone with a Harbor Freight.. In Comparison to the Longevity, it blows it away. It actually works,, and works nicely.. On the Plasma side of the machine, if you stick the tip to the base metal, it will fire an arc, but, won't cut even 1/8" without dropping the arc. Forget cutting anything thicker.

Total Junk.. And the TIG.. Yes, you can imagine.. Also weak.. Turn it all the way up, and you might get a good weld on 1/8th..
And,, call and ask them how to tweak the machine, or ask them what you can do to try to get it to work, and you will wait for them to send you some Chinese reply that makes you wonder if they are responding to your technical description, or someone elses..
But, I was a dealer and was treated like this.. I don't have 2 weeks to send emails back and forth to china and get mindless responses.. Like the one I got on the Generator.. Was not charging the battery with 12 Volts DC, so, they recommended that I change the Injector.. Ha.. Ha..
Yes, I gave up, and the machine has just been sitting there...
Very pissed, about a year after the 5 units consolidated down to 1, I posted my frustrations on a Welding forum.. That is when Simon called (would not respond to my emails though), but, would say,, remove or update your post, and kindly send me a link to it, and I'll send you another machine, if you pay to upgrade and pay shipping.. That is how I ended up with the Weldall 160PI.. Needless to say, the day I got it, I put it together and tried it out.. Junk again. I called, and he put me off every call, and started the "Let me call the Engineers", and the mindless responses.. Yes, I gave up again.
Several thousands of dollars screwed...

I could never do that to anyone.. I don't see how they sleep at night..

10 units out of 10 units NON-Functional... I think your money is best put in another brand..

Anyone want more info? Mark at Mark-Thomas and the .com thing..

Nov 06, 2013
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Quality is the issue NEW
by: David Parker

I share the same disappointments as other commenters that most of the brand name "American" products are actually manufactured overseas in mainline China to a very low quality. I was devastated to discover that Chicago Pneumatic air tools have been manufactured in China for many years now and are not the bullet-proof and powerful CP tools of old. The bad part is that CP is still expensive to buy.
I have a Lincoln motor-generator welder manufactured in 1946 that still works perfectly. I don't believe it has ever been serviced. I have a Wells Index mill from the fifties that is cast iron that is still running. Solid cast iron is a mark of quality. Quality is worth the money IF there is real quality under the flashy paint.

I will say that the Japanese, Germans, Swiss, and Dutch build high quality metal working machines. On the other hand, I don't know how the British survive. Except for Rolls-Royce and Bentley its a wonder anything works. I used to own BSA motorcycles, a 350, a 441 Victor, and a 500 Goldstar and I seldom rode home. Lucas ignition was the worst excuse for an ignition system I ever saw. As for the rest of the bike, every setting was maintained by friction, the screws, bolts, and nuts were undercapacity, wires hung out in the breeze, etc., no improvement from 1890.

That said, I have an Airco 250 that needs a 75V transformer on one of its boards and I can't find the part anywhere. It was a very good welder, but it is an orphan now. That is one very good reason to stick with a Lincoln or Miller or Esab. Airco and Linde are gone, lots of orphans out there.

Sincerely,
David Parker

Apr 12, 2013
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dont make what you need???? NEW
by: Anonymous

you mean to tell us that you needed a welder that neither Miller or Lincoln make. And somehow you found it in a longevity. Are you out of your mind?

And its not IF they work, but more like how long will they work. that's like most women buying a car, well if it looks good on the outside, it must be good right? POP THE HOOD, look around.

You didn't buy a welder, you bought a sticker that said 5 year warranty. A good product will sell itself and doesn't need a warranty like that.

this is a numbers game and there numbers don't add up. 60% and 100% duty cycle. bullshit. prove it..... not once, many times. do you know why you can still buy Miller welders that are 50-60+ years old? because they work. see if your Longevity is in for the long haul, I bet not.

They might give you a deal, I'm sure they will, But what they wont tell you is that they screwed over the last customer and passed his savings on to you.

Apr 12, 2013
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dont make what you need???? NEW
by: Anonymous

you mean to tell us that you needed a welder that neither Miller or Lincoln make. And somehow you found it in a longevity. Are you out of your mind?

And its not IF they work, but more like how long will they work. that's like most women buying a car, well if it looks good on the outside, it must be good right? POP THE HOOD, look around.

You didn't buy a welder, you bought a sticker that said 5 year warranty. A good product will sell itself and doesn't need a warranty like that.

this is a numbers game and there numbers don't add up. 60% and 100% duty cycle. bullshit. prove it..... not once, many times. do you know why you can still buy Miller welders that are 50-60+ years old? because they work. see if your Longevity is in for the long haul, I bet not.

They might give you a deal, I'm sure they will, But what they wont tell you is that they screwed over the last customer and passed his savings on to you.

Apr 12, 2013
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dont make what you need???? NEW
by: Anonymous

you mean to tell us that you needed a welder that neither Miller or Lincoln make. And somehow you found it in a longevity. Are you out of your mind?

And its not IF they work, but more like how long will they work. that's like most women buying a car, well if it looks good on the outside, it must be good right? POP THE HOOD, look around.

You didn't buy a welder, you bought a sticker that said 5 year warranty. A good product will sell itself and doesn't need a warranty like that.

this is a numbers game and there numbers don't add up. 60% and 100% duty cycle. bullshit. prove it..... not once, many times. do you know why you can still buy Miller welders that are 50-60+ years old? because they work. see if your Longevity is in for the long haul, I bet not.

They might give you a deal, I'm sure they will, But what they wont tell you is that they screwed over the last customer and passed his savings on to you.

Jan 05, 2011
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Thank you
by: Simon @ LONGEVITY

Dennis,

Thank you for the review! I am hoping Jody has time to get one of our machines and USE the hell out of it as requested by many LONGEVITY forum members and customers. We are one of the bigger importing welding companies around and to be on weldingtipsandtricks.com would be great for our customers and Jody's website.

We have seen anxiously waiting and hoping we can get a unit on here for Jody's professional opinion.

Thank You,

Simon
LONGEVITY WELDING
877-566-4462 x201

Nov 20, 2010
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Amen!
by: Dennis (Texas)

Rebuild this country from the ground up is exactly what it is going to take for us to remain innovative creative and pushing the envelope in technology. Not to mention remaining a world leader with the most powerful country on earth. The big stick will only work if you are strong enough to pick it up.I build things and am not really prone to political statements but I think it's high time that we put our egos aside and realize that we do live in a global community and I don't know about you but I always reach for the tools that work the best

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