Miller, Lincoln are you kidding?

by Robert
(Sussex, WI)

I am in the market for a TIG/Stick machine and considering an Everlast Powertig 250 EX. I am finding it very difficult if not choking, to part with $3000.00 for a Miller Dynasty 200DX,(just the machine). I use Miller Maxstar's and Lincoln Invertech's on the job running pipe all day long with 5P+ and 7018 rod. I own a Miller Trailblazer and Lincoln 250 mig machine.... the performance is very good, but I have had it with the cost of their (Blue, Red, Yellow) new equipment pricing.
Inverter technology has come a very long way and the price has come way down for inverters & frequency drives but, the price decrease has not been reflected in their product pricing. Because of the obnoxious pricing of domestic machines I am going to order an Everlast Powertig 250 EX. Let the games begin!

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Jun 17, 2015
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Did the research NEW
by: Leroy

I am not a welder, but i wanted to weld. i knew i would make mistakes but i wanted a welder that didn't make mistakes. So i researched Miller equipment and the common complaints. i did the same for Lincoln. I found vastly more information on how to work around problems on the miller than i did Lincoln. So either there were no issues to work around or the issues were not much worthy to talk about. I bought the Lincoln Precision Tig 275 and the Lincoln Power Mig 180 C. Im not a welder but i wont be able to blame the equipment when i make a mistake.

May 23, 2015
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Everlast Powertig 200DV NEW
by: wrenchman722

I am a retired 30 year master Freightliner Heavy duty diesel mechanic. A few years back I purchased a Lincoln 180c mig welder for my hobbies at home.It has been an outstanding little mig welder with no issues.I purchased the spool gun kit and installed the switch and harness and have spent countless hours trying to get [consistent] tig welds with no success. I have always tried to be a MADE IN USA man but Social Security won't allow me to spend three thousand plus on a tig welder. That being said and living in the SF bay area I drove to Everlast in South San Francisco and checked it out.If there a problem I can drop it off in forty five minutes or so.After spending time with the head guy, I put down the cash for this tig welder. I will keep the lincoln 180 for a stand alone steel welder and the ever last for the others.It will be nice not having to switch the bottles and torches over all the time.They are back ordered and expect to pick it up next week.I will post at a later date my findings.

Mar 17, 2015
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Everlast 200dx -ac/dc NEW
by: Michael

In my shop I have Miller Dynasty 350 with water cooler(brand new). Miller 350P push/pull-.Lincoln Invertec 350P Pro.- Miller trailblazer 325 EFI and ThermoArc Fabricator 211.
I need good inexpensive 200A (AC/DC) welder for small jobs outside the shop so not to carry big generator at all time.
Any advice please..I heard good things about Everlast 200 dx
Michael
mirofusion@gmail.com
thanks

Feb 23, 2015
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Powcon: Awsome 1980s inverter gone NEW
by: Anonymous

Well folks, I own a Powcon 200SM machine. Most people never heard of them. It cost me 2,800 in 1988. It is an early Inverter machine created by a company called Cyclomatic. They made machines from 200 to 525 amps. My 200sm is a combo Machine; Mig, scratch Tig, Stick DC Machine. Weighs about 80lbs, serious portable unit. You name it, it does it. (No foot pedal start) I used the machine 7 days a week for 10 hours a day for many years til I stopped the business. I put her in storage for a few years and started welding again back in the early 2000s. (a few repairs here and there) To this day, when I need to use it, I simply pull the cover off, plug her in and turn her on.

BTW - I have never changed the liner in the Tweeco gun. It doesnt't jam and I have run many spools of wire through the machine. (I do have a wiper on the wire prior to feeding and I do clean/change the tips/nozzle when they look dirty)

I have always wanted to Tig A/C. The Miller Syncrowave was the way to go years back, but, it isn't very portable.

I also have a Powcon Plasma unit. She needs a 300amp power source which I don't have.

Now, this being said. I am looking to upgrade so I can Tig A/C. Everlast 325EXT with water cooling and a Power plasma 80 will allow me to do everything and more for less than what I paid for my welder and my plasma cutter back in the 80s. The machines are also warrantied for 5 years. Who else offers that?? So long as the company will fix/swap the unit out, I don't really care how long it takes. If I had a business the needed the welder, I would have spares at that price.

BTW - Powcon (red inverter) was bought out by Miller. They changed the machines color to blue, then the machines disappeared. The Whole product line.. I wonder why?? Go figure. Also, As someone else said, The bigger companies need to wake up and smell the coffee..

This is how competition works. If you are at the game, there's always someone wanting to be where you are. Unless you adapt to the changing of times, and keep your customers happy and keep product prices competitive, someone will always be there to take your place. Might not be today, but will be tomorrow.

Dec 16, 2014
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Lincoln wins hands down every time NEW
by: Budget mobile welding

The rumors about lincoln being poor to deal with are false. I currently run both miller and lincoln on my service truck and I find myself reaching for my lincoln stuff more than my miller stuff. I recently purchased a power mig 210 inverter machine made by Lincoln. Had a problem with the power cord right out of the box. The Lincoln rep for my area brought me a 180 power mig to use til mine was fixed. I was doing a job that required about 30 lbs of flux cored wire a day and the miller 175 just couldn't keep up. Both being 230 volt machines. Miller has been friendly to me over the years don't get me wrong but lincoln handed me a brand new loaner machine and said "get back to work" in just a one man operation and struggle like everyone else. Shipping a machine back and forth cause of problems is not equitable for me and my kids who get fed and clothed cause this equipment has to run everyday. Yeah the price tag of the American made machines can hurt but when people see familiar names on your eqiupment they feel more at ease after hiring you to do a job. For a hobbyist who has the time and patience for dealing with operations overseas I say go for it. I'll pay the premium and forget about the price while I'm enjoying the quality and return on my investment.

Nov 11, 2014
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wake up big blue. NEW
by: Bo

Ihave had at least 15 blue machines over the last 35 years! I just got in a new everlast 250ex from tig depot, you think they are going to wake up? in blue land! If people can save green and make money welding with green they they are going to do it. thanks tig fingers are great.

Nov 11, 2014
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wake up big blue. NEW
by: Bo

Ihave had at least 15 blue machines over the last 35 years! I just got in a new everlast 250ex from tig depot, you think they are going to wake up? in blue land! If people can save green and make money welding with green they they are going to do it. thanks tig fingers are great.

Jun 22, 2014
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Miller vs Everlast Inverter TIG Welders NEW
by: Anonymous

By my estimation: by the time you throw away all of the crappy components/accessories that come w/ the Everlast PowerTig 200DV (based on numerous reviews), you are paying about $1200 less than the Miller Dynasty 200DX. If you keep the welder for 10 yrs (as an example), it seems the added cost of $10/mo is negligible compared to the other costs of ownership: consumables/gas/electricity/etc. Now factor in what your time and sanity is worth. To me, the Miller seems like a much better deal. Furthermore, if you factor in resale value, you may even come out ahead w/ the Miller if you sell in a few years. Just my $0.02.

May 11, 2014
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Inverter/VFD cost NEW
by: Anonymous

I design variable frequency drives for a living. Make no mistake the cost has plummeted for high power IGBTs and MOSFETs that control the voltage outputs. Same for rectifiers and storage caps. I have a hunch Miller and Lincoln are better quality welders but also have a profit margin that's 3-5x of Everlast.

Mar 23, 2014
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Everlast 250EX NEW
by: Rick

Got curious about Inverters. Found an iverter return at a Local liquidator ,onlyusedlooking part was the powercord and no plug. $500. All parts/accessories there unmolested.

Found a broken/cracked bridge rectifier(factory defect?) $30. Blue printed crummy pedal.

Works like a champ. Does every thing my Miller 250 syncowave does and a lot more at low amperage.

Repaced clunky 18 water cooled with a CK-FL1525SF FlexLok 25 ft.155 amp super flex hose.
$730 for invested. LWS wanted nearly $5000 for this package in Miller brand.

No contest

Aug 05, 2013
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Miller vs Everlast NEW
by: Allen

I have a "Miller 211" with a "100 series spool gun".
What ain't to love oh, it ain't portable? Beyond that it,ll do near anything! That said, I have developed a the need for a unit I can (easily) carry around. I'm impressed with the inverter technology, so I'm thinking "Maxstar 150stl" or "Everlast 140st"....
Base price per Miller for the 150 is $1404.00 plus $295.00 for the foot pedal. The price for the 140 per Everlast is $274.00. I own and operate a small business, 60 plus hours a week. I understand the concept "you get what you pay for"! However after the "Review" Jody did I ordered an Everlast 140st. It was UPS delivered to my shop in 8 days. I burned a couple pounds each of "6011" and "7014" No issues whatever! I got an "Amazon.com" Argon Regulator and a "Cheep" Chinese Foot Pedal, a TPST On/On switch and a 4 pin "Aircraft" connector. I added the "Foot Pedal"
option for $150.00 and three hours work. I didn't care for the 17V torch so I got a 9V and a "Gas Lens" kit (e-bay). I've had it a couple months now and it has proven to be a "Tough" little cookie! I have welded 1/8" steel plate with 3/32 "6011" at 110 volts on a 50 foot AGW 16 extension cord! I have also TIG welded 14 gauge sheet metal sitting in my shop, outstanding results on both! So to surmise, would have loved to have the Miller.....BUT.....$1700.00 vs $600.00.......

Apr 04, 2013
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Everlast Welders NEW
by: GUNNER12R

Read my post in this section and tear it into little pieces and flush it down the toilet! I bought the Everlast and returned it within 30 days BECAUSE IT WAS JUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I choked up the cash and purchased a Dynasty 350 and haven't regretted it for 1 second! Best welder ever made hands down bar none come all!

Apr 04, 2013
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Miller vs Lincoln NEW
by: Larry

Miller is quick to put out product for sale ... most of the time they dont even field test their equipment for even 90 day's before selling it to Joe Public and getting feedback,(Good or Bad .. they sell it anyway) I know it for a fact ... I have been part of those trial's on some of their equipment !
Lincoln on the other hand "seem's to be slow" having the appearance to be less innovative but that's not the case at all ! They purposely put their equipment out in the field for time's of two (2) year's or more and then wait for feedback "prior" to selling the product, leaving the impression they are a little behind Miller on some thing's which is not the case at all !
Miller's R & D dosent seem to mind recall's or making improvement's and modification's "after" they get it their product out there and being sold .... "leading client's to believe" they are being quick to be serviced ... while Lincoln
is more apt to get thing's done right the first time, meaning "less downtime" for the client's that have already purchased their product to utilize and keep working, saving both time & money for you as the customer as well as themselves and their reputation.(Although they tend to be a little harder to deal with ... you are still being productive and making money without the wasted down time where it is needed the most !) Remember, a lifetime warranty isnt really worth a whole lot if your out in the boonies with a broken tool and needing it to work and to use at that exact time that it's needed the most !

Apr 04, 2013
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Miller vs Lincoln NEW
by: Larry

Miller is quick to put out product for sale ... most of the time they dont even field test their equipment for even 90 day's before selling it to Joe Public and getting feedback,(Good or Bad .. they sell it anyway) I know it for a fact ... I have been part of those trial's on some of their equipment !
Lincoln on the other hand "seem's to be slow" having the appearance to be less innovative but that's not the case at all ! They purposely put their equipment out in the field for time's of two (2) year's or more and then wait for feedback "prior" to selling the product, leaving the impression they are a little behind Miller on some thing's which is not the case at all !
Miller's R & D dosent seem to mind recall's or making improvement's and modification's "after" they get it their product out there and being sold .... "leading client's to believe" they are being quick to be serviced ... while Lincoln
is more apt to get thing's done right the first time, meaning "less downtime" for the client's that have already purchased their product to utilize and keep working, saving both time & money for you as the customer as well as themselves and their reputation.(Although they tend to be a little harder to deal with ... you are still being productive and making money without the wasted down time where it is needed the most !) Remember, a lifetime warranty isnt really worth a whole lot if your out in the boonies with a broken tool and needing it to work and to use at that exact time that it's needed the most !

Apr 04, 2013
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Miller vs Lincoln NEW
by: Larry

Miller is quick to put out product for sale ... most of the time they dont even field test their equipment for even 90 day's before selling it to Joe Public and getting feedback,(Good or Bad .. they sell it anyway) I know it for a fact ... I have been part of those trial's on some of their equipment !
Lincoln on the other hand "seem's to be slow" having the appearance to be less innovative but that's not the case at all ! They purposely put their equipment out in the field for time's of two (2) year's or more and then wait for feedback "prior" to selling the product, leaving the impression they are a little behind Miller on some thing's which is not the case at all !
Miller's R & D dosent seem to mind recall's or making improvement's and modification's "after" they get it their product out there and being sold .... "leading client's to believe" they are being quick to be serviced ... while Lincoln
is more apt to get thing's done right the first time, meaning "less downtime" for the client's that have already purchased their product to utilize and keep working, saving both time & money for you as the customer as well as themselves and their reputation.(Although they tend to be a little harder to deal with ... you are still being productive and making money without the wasted down time where it is needed the most !) Remember, a lifetime warranty isnt really worth a whole lot if your out in the boonies with a broken tool and needing it to work and to use at that exact time that it's needed the most !

Dec 10, 2011
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Everlast 250 EXT NEW
by: GUNNER12R

I just ordered an Everlast 250EXT and I'm excited to get it. Miller has lost their mind asking $8,700.00 for a Dynasty 350 and that's a discount off their MSRP !! Miller WAKE UP !!! You can't continue raping people on these machines and stay in business forever !! I love my Miller machines and have for the last 25 years but the end is here if you don't wake up. An inverter machine has what? a 5 to 8 year life span and then it's junk ! The Everlast is warrantied for 5 years and has a 30 day money back guarantee as well.. What does a man have to lose EXCEPT 65 hundered more dollars on the Miller... And what many people don't realize is unless the Dynasty is running on 3 phase it will only deliver 225 amps anyway so having that big 350 amp machine is useless unless you happen to have 3 phase power. And NO ONE knows if it will operate off a rotary converter NOT EVEN MILLER !!!! I called and spoke with the product engineer and was told " We've never tested that to find out !!" My GOD !!! You sell a product that you haven't tested every possible situation that a customer may run across trying to use the product!! And especially a situation like the power for a welding machine... I couldn't believe it when they told me that... Then their web page clearly states the 225 amp deal YET the sales person at Miller stated " Well, I know it says that but it will do more than what we say in the product specifications !!" Yea I believed that !!

Mar 09, 2011
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Everlast 250 EX update
by: Robert

Ok, I have been using the Everlast TIG 250EX for about 1 month and so far so good. The performance is very good and everything is as they say it would be. Miller, Linclon... watch out!
I am teaching myself to weld aluminum and it's going great! I started running beads on thicker material and then joining corners on thick and thin material. As Jody pointed out in the control video series there is a lot of "freaking knobs" but playing with all the settings and making notes it's getting easier to match up the thickness of material with settings of pulse, amps, frequency, ect. I am having a blast so far and it is a wonderful change of pace to running stick or mig. Hope to get some photos posted soon.

Feb 20, 2011
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EX 250
by: Robert

I received my Everlast 250 EX and had it up and running in less then 45 minutes. My initial impressions were that the quality of the machine construction is extremly good and not some flimsy junk... very solid. I think that the adjustment dials instead of push button controls are great... very easy to adjust while wearing gloves and with a quick glance I can see exactly what all the settings are. The foot control although big looking is very functional and my work boots fit nicely on it and the pedal responds extremly well adjusting the current. I set the machine up to run beads on aluminum plate and started playing with it. I was totaly impressed with every function of this unit and the arc. The pulsing, current control, H/F start, frequency adjustments, pre flow and post flow are all "BALLS DEAD ON"! I ran the machine for about 4 hours the first night laying down bead after bead... Not a problem at all. I have since put manySPLEEN more hours on it and so far I have to say that this machine is all it claims to be at a fraction of the cost. Sorry Miller, Lincoln.... An inverter is an inverter.

Feb 14, 2011
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Update... Everlast Tig 250 EX
by: Robert

I placed my order last week for the Everlast 250 EX and it is scheduled to arrive UPS tomorrow (2-15-11). I am anxious to pour the coals to it and see if this machine is good or not. I will give updates and be truthful about it's performance and quality.

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