There are plenty of American made welders that are superior in every way... by Mr.Michael Stimac

by mike stimac
(anywhere, America)

I feel as an American you should be ashamed for wanting to buy a Chinese product just to save a buck.

There are plenty of American made welders that are superior in every way.

Keep buying products not made in America and see where your dollar is and how much you are earning years from now.

This is a a turning point in American history do you want to be a part of the upturn or downturn of the America we should all cherish.

No matter how you look at it, can it perform can it not perform, where the dollar and the job goes should matter more. Be American.....buy American, try to keep the jobs here...for our kids sake.


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Good post Mike,

Thanks,

Jody

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Nov 21, 2014
@ Proud IAM member NEW
by: Pragmatist

You've summed it up perfectly.

I believe that employees should own the companies that they work for. As a shareholder you share in the profit and, if you think yhe CEO is asking for too much, you are entitled to get rid of him/her.

Unionisation has an unfortunate unintended consequence: it supports the Labour Vs. Capital paradigm. Capital also supports it. Making this statement appears like a contradiction but here's why it isn't. Pitching the two as opposites creates a constant battle but one that Capital knows how to fight: every cycle unions make demands and capitalists use economic arguements to move a millimeter at a time to make the tiniest consessions. The fundamental proletariat Vs. Bourgeoisie divide, however, doesn't change.

But buy out shares. Suddenly union members can play on par. But it is not in the interests of Union Leaders or capital to change the paradigm.


May 13, 2014
MADE IN USA NEW
by: Miggin59

I'm on W T A T forum I poster about an american made auto dark welding helmet. We'll I got one response I guess from a commie. SO IM NOT SURE ABOUT THIS SITE. I SURE WOULD LOVE TO BUY AMERICAN MADE and not some crap made in a china sweat shop.
Cliff S.
SHEET METAL WORKERS LOCAL#100
US Army 12B10. 1977-1980

May 13, 2014
MADE IN USA NEW
by: Miggin59

I'm on W T A T forum I poster about an american made auto dark welding helmet. We'll I got one response I guess from a commie. SO IM NOT SURE ABOUT THIS SITE. I SURE WOULD LOVE TO BUY AMERICAN MADE and not some crap made in a china sweat shop.
Cliff S.
SHEET METAL WORKERS LOCAL#100
US Army 12B10. 1977-1980

May 13, 2014
MADE IN USA NEW
by: Miggin59

I'm on W T A T forum I poster about an american made auto dark welding helmet. We'll I got one response I guess from a commie. SO IM NOT SURE ABOUT THIS SITE. I SURE WOULD LOVE TO BUY AMERICAN MADE and not some crap made in a china sweat shop.
Cliff S.
SHEET METAL WORKERS LOCAL#100
US Army 12B10. 1977-1980

Apr 06, 2014
ref: NEW
by: Wayne Lewis

WOW, I must have hit a nerve. Then I realized you must be a liberal by YOUR ranting about how good unions are. I do agree that some CEO's in my opinion are overpaid but I didn't realize that it was illegal to make a lot of money. As for investors, they take a risk when they purchase stock. Take away the investors and company's collapse but take away unions and company's products would be much cheaper.

PS:
Quote: "IAM represents machinists and aerospace workers in dozens of industries. President Robert Buffenbarger received $284,975 in salary and benefits. Over the past two years, the union gave $1.98 million to Democratic candidates and only $34,000 to Republicans. Reuters".

It's been nice RANTING with you!!

Apr 06, 2014
union made in usa NEW
by: Proud IAM member

For the anti-union ranters: maybe your fathers were drunk, lazy, incompetent workers that made $60-$80 and an hour assembling widgets and stealing from the company, but they would've been complete anomalies at anyplace I've ever worked or have even HEARD about at any place I've ever worked (other than an executive).
I'm a member of the IAM, I work as a mechanic building commercial airliners. I am at the highest pay grade available and when I top out in my pay scale I'll be making $42 an hour. This INCLUDES a $1+ an hour differential in my hourly pay that comes from my FAA A&P license that cost me 2 years and $30K to get and was a requirement for my position at the time of hire.
My point? Lets just say that building and preparing an aircraft for it's first flight under company and federal scrutiny and processes, to tolerances and specifications that are much higher and more complicated than widgets, requires more than just the ability to clock in and watch a conveyer belt move product past your face.
I'll bet just as vigorously as you guys defile unions you'll defend the right of a CEO to make $60-$80 million (a year) while under-performing and outsourcing. In comparison, the CEO of the company I work for made $13K an hour (that we know about) last year. And when he retires he (currently) stands to receive over $250,000 a month until he dies for his 9 years with the company, while a 30 year veteran will be eligible for less than $2700.
The ONLY truth you guys posted is that it's harder to get rid of the ones that take advantage of job protections while not being worthy of the position they were hired for, but it's seen to it that they get put where they deserve or are eventually gotten rid of. The same cannot be said of management and executives that cost the company MULTI-millions in bad decisions, ineffective ideas and outright corruption.
Unions are NOT what drives up the cost of products, it's the profits that the executives and shareholders demand that does. Unions give people money to live on and to spend, and this is what drives the economy. Look at the income gap separation and the decline of unions and you'll see why there's not much left of our economy. I suggest watching "Inequality For All" for a quick FACT based outline of what I don't have enough space or time to explain here.
The only REAL VOTE we as Americans cast is with the only thing we have that makes our voice heard...our $$$. EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR me or you (WE!!!) spend is a VOTE. It is THESE votes that drives the decisions that govern what we eat, wear, drive, where we work, where we live, what we build...etc., etc....
Every "Made In USA" purchase is a VOTE, and it sends a message that not only is this what we want, but ALSO...and...VERY IMPORTANTLY!!!...what we DON'T WANT. And a label that say "MADE in the USA" is NOT the same as "produced" or "assembled" in the USA. That label is earned. Look it up.

Feb 10, 2014
Welders NEW
by: Doug

Try HTP american inc. I wouldn't own anything but. They are bullet proof to start and are much cheaper that the name brand welders. They are made in Ill. USA

Jan 24, 2014
Well said ! NEW
by: Wayne Lewis

'Once proud American', you are right on! Unions have and will continue to ruin America. When someone can stand on a assembly line attaching a widget, while making $60-$80 an hour, the final cost of the product has to go up. I will admit that in the early part of the 1900's, unions were needed to protect employees. This forced the government to pass laws to protect employees to a certain extent. Today, unions almost bankrupted the American automotive industry until King Obama bailed most of them out. The AFLCIO is a disease that will continue to ruin American big business! We ALL are paying for these bailouts.



Jan 24, 2014
Don't buy American if it is Union made! NEW
by: A Once-Proud American

I 100% disagree with the idea that we should buy American "just because". The American unions are who gave us Barak Obama, and I will never again knowingly buy any product made by a US union. Liberal policies are going to do far more devastation to the American economy than buying Chinese products ever could. Besides, the unions are all about forcing companies to pay more for their workers than they are actually worth, which puts those companies at a competitive disadvantage, and drives up the cost for the eventual purchaser. Unions protect incompetent workers, lazy workers, intoxicated workers, even dishonest workers, and dramatically increase the cost of doing business for a company.

My father worked for a large shipyard that was unionized, and when they went on strike because they weren't satisfied with their already-too-generous compensation packages, the government gave the work to another company in another state. Billions of dollars that could have come to our area didn't. That crippled the local economy, and my family had to move.

If a worker wants more money than is offered at a non-union job, he needs to look elsewhere. The law of supply and demand should be what determines an employee's actual worth. If you don't like what you are told, learn a skill or trade that is actually WORTH more, or start your own business!

Nov 26, 2013
Sory foor Mi speling eror "loosing" NEW
by: Wayne Lewis

I see your point about loosing being the most misspelled word but your sentence structure is not exactly English major quality either. If all you are going to do is criticize the spelling in welding forums well maybe .....oh well, forget it. The point is to give an honest point of view about a welding topic and everyone has their own opinion.

By the way, the abbreviation for the United States is US, not us or U.S. Just my opinion.

Nov 25, 2013
just do your best to be patriotic NEW
by: Anonymous

Its more about do what you can do to support us workers and quit spelling losing "loosing" I swear that is the number one misspelled word I read. But back on the u.s. stuff we are all us workers and without our effort we will never have factories, we will have nothing.

Sep 25, 2013
CHINESE NON UNION WELDERS SAVES YOU MONEY AGAINST AMECICAN UNION STUFF. YOU ARE SOMEWHAT R NEW
by: Anonymous

YOU ARE SOMEWHAT RIGHT AND THERE ALSO ANOTHER BENEFIT, (NO PENSION) AT RETIREMENT WHICH NEVER COMES IF YOU GET UNUSEFULL THEY JUST TAKE YOU OUT BACK DOOR AND 1 SHOT TO THE HEAD CLEARS A LOT OF PEOPLE STARVING AND SUCH. THEY USED TO HAVE ENOUGHT KIDS TO SUPPORT THEM IN OLD AGE NOT NOW, 1 COUPLE 1 CHILD, AND PREY IT ISNT A GIRL CAUSE THEY BELONG TO HUSBANDS FAMILY, CHINA AINT GOT NO ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS, I BET REPUBLICANS WOULD LOVE THAT , LET EVERYONE SLEEP ON THE UNDERPASS OD ROADS AND STARVE EXCEPT THEM, LARRY (VIETNAM VET) USMC 65 yold.

Jun 06, 2013
Buy American protect your future NEW
by: Terry O

Me first huh mike? Screw everybody else, that's the jest of it right? You and your kind disgust me. Of course you feel no shame, or zero as you put it. It's all about you, and screw everyone else. I'd LOVE to hear, your job is out sourced overseas! You'll whine the loudest, "I lost my job because it was cheaper to have the work done across the water..." LOSER!!!!!

Oct 25, 2011
American companys must change!!
by: Wayne Lewis

First let me say that I love American made products. The overall quality is usually much better with some exceptions (Japan & Germany). But I feel some company's like Miller & Lincoln will be pricing themselves out of the market in the long haul. If it's not China it may be Japan who will finally own the market.

These American company's need to wake up and develop a plan to compete with these newcomers. The price difference is too great now and they could be loosing many millions in the future. Competition is what's needed to level the playing field.

Right now as I see it, the main reason to own a Miller or Lincoln is the resale value but that might not be true down the road as foreign welders improve in quality and availability.

For what it's worth.......

Jun 21, 2011
yea ok
by: danjal

so your another preacher of the buy american welders, yet you buy chinese made televisions and computers and hair dryers and toasters and pretty much everything else in your home and probably 80% of the stuff in your garage..

wake up, your as much a problem as the rest..

Mar 01, 2011
Lincoln-Electric
by: Anonymous

Lincoln-Electric's actual welders may be made in the US, but the accessories (helmet, cables, etc.) are made in China.

Mar 16, 2010
want or need?
by: mike

American made welders may be fine and work great etc blah blah blah but "want to buy" has nothing to do with buying or not buying american or British or russian. I NEED a welder and cannot afford to buy miller or lincoln. The fact that miller etc is american has little or nothing to do with the decision. Best product for the money wins every time and ZERO shame.

Nov 26, 2009
American made???
by: Anonymous

I agree with you 100%, But when you "buy American", with "globelization", even when something is labled "American made" a large percentage of that item is very often made over seas.
We don't have the facilities in this country to make many of those components anymore!!!

Ron

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